Daily Dish of Dominey Design
{  August 26, 2003  }

My Very Own Dolly

Chances are if you've designed enough material for the web, you will run across another web site that feels oddly familiar. Sometimes the similarity is nothing more than a total fluke -- an accidental alignment of two unrelated minds developing similar ideas. Other times it is a blatant rip-off. And then of course there are the small things, like color, mood, and overall style that every designer is guilty of borrowing at one time or another.

But thanks to Kert, a reader of this site, I was directed towards Krooning, a local company of some sort in Estonia.

I'm hardly angry. If anything, I'm thrilled to see that someone was inspired enough by my work to copy nearly every facet of my design. Which, truth be told, was inspired (to a degree) by the work of other web sites (especially Future Farmers, who persuaded me it was safe to follow abstract, loops ideas in a business portfolio). Every designer is fueled by inspiration, regardless of origin. Krooning is just another stop on a continually spinning wheel of inspiration. I do wish they had not copied so many of the unique attributes of my work, but so it goes.

Now excuse me while I wipe up the coffee I spit when that rabbit fell from the sky.

Comments

This happened at the chopping block all the time. I would say we had about 8 websites completely ripped off. One time someone took a screenshot of the site, did a color shift and then simply changed the text in the logo. Crazy. At least Krooning was all redrawn... But yeah, that rabbit is pretty damn funny.

Posted by: mike essl at August 26, 2003 9:42 AM

You won the "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" award :)

A few months ago one of my company sites was ripped off in its entirety by... some Estonian crooks. All they did, basically, was a global search & replace to swap their name with ours.

Statistically it does not mean anything with respect to web design in Estonia, though :-)

Posted by: François at August 26, 2003 9:43 AM

"Inspired by" is always good. Lets face it - your designs are pretty darn pleasant, easy on the eyes, well designed, I can go on... It is not good when they flat out steal.

Weblogs don't count though because they look the same to me.

Posted by: Ricky at August 26, 2003 10:12 AM

At least they did redraw it from scratch - consider it an homage. As noted on flazoom.com, there are about ninety-umpteen copies of the 2advanced site / house style out there. Sometimes it's lazy coders, but sometimes it's clients that demand a site that looks just like some other one they've fixated on. Like CEOs that insist that the site become more "blue" and incorporate flying zeroes and ones "just like in The Matrix."

Posted by: AJ at August 26, 2003 10:19 AM

It does lack the sense of sophistication and refinement of yours.

Have y'all seen Pirated Sites? The first time I saw it, I was floored by some of the blatent copying going on. For example, this is their current feature: Original and the Copy. Open these two in browser tabs and flip back and forth.

Posted by: Patrick at August 26, 2003 10:42 AM

Congrats on your rip! I suppose it does mean you've qualified your designs enought that others deem them both Good and True, enough so to at least borrow them to advance their career or personal life. It is flattering when done once or twice but after a few times you're just all 'arrrg'. Still, as Wilde says, talent borrows, genius steals... we can only just hope that the rip will be at least good or better than the org. site!

My big beef with rips is when someone rips a Flash site off! Flash isn't exactly easy to produce and requires a functional understanding of sound, movement, and programming. If someone like this yahoo rips a site fully developed in Flash, why couldn't he just spent 4 mins on developing a different site! Literally the easiest part of Flash is the interface. They still had to get all the code, all the music, all the tweens, etc, and make it work.

Perhaps AS2 will help privitize .swf files more so

Posted by: lincoln at August 26, 2003 12:02 PM

The "we want it like that one" statement on clients' part is an all-too-familiar scene in my day-to day... but I know better, heh. Although I have more than eight years producing sites, I never have seen a case of me being ripped off, perhaps because my designs are not "cool" or "trendy" enough... either that, or I probably don't care enough about it.

And yes, Pirated Sites is first thing that comes to mind in cases like these.

Posted by: beto at August 26, 2003 12:11 PM

Never have I seen such a blatant case of false advertising since I sued the makers of the "Never Ending Story."

Posted by: Lionel Hutz at August 26, 2003 1:28 PM

The fact that you even call this a 'copy' is a true example of a good nature. This is sad and the bunny makes me angry.

I remember seeing a complete rip off of www.kleber.net. It looked like he just copied pages and inserted his 'I've got photoshop filters and I'm gonna use em' artwork. I sent the guy a 'hey buddy, at least you could change the background color' email and his reply started with the most colorful language you can imagine.

Posted by: mr. ken at August 26, 2003 2:41 PM

I think the shame of it is that these guys obviously have talent, but they just couldn't think of anything original to do.

I also think when you compare the two that your site is obviously a lot better.

Posted by: El Fuente at August 26, 2003 3:53 PM

The same thing happened with homestarrunner.com

Basicly some guys were making a toon called the Strong Bad Matrix. Instead of redrawing the characters, they used the actual flash files from the site and manipulated those.

It wasn't long after the Chapmans threatened to sue that the site was removed.

Posted by: Dot at August 26, 2003 4:51 PM

Oh, so that's why they had to add the Legal Stuff link on the bottom of HomeStarRunner ... hehe, Homestar's so funny. He said, "Boring."

Posted by: Adam at August 26, 2003 5:07 PM

Todd,

You might already know this, but when you preview your post first, and then post it, you lose the URL in the textfield (so then when you post, the hyperlink is your email when you really wanted it to be your site). As you might have guessed, it just now happened to me. If someone has already pointed that out to you, I apologize.

"Boring."

Oh, Homestar. Stop it.

Posted by: Adam at August 26, 2003 5:14 PM

I think your just noticing similaritys in aspects of media the "media" being something that is flash based. How many ways are there to do clouds in flash? How many ways are there to do rolling hills? Everybody is derivitive. EVERYBODY. get over it. you are too.

Posted by: Fidel at August 26, 2003 6:31 PM

Haha. Here's another recent pirated site: www.heathenfront.org/ copied www.zilmer.com and looks sweet ;)
Its misfortunate when people have so little imagination that they copy things 1:1

But Krooning looks funny doesn't it ;))))

Posted by: Kert at August 27, 2003 2:38 AM

If I was you, I would launch a copyright suite and sue them for all of their money mwuahaha. lol. Bye

Posted by: James at August 27, 2003 3:56 AM

just last week i had found someone had blatantly copied my blog's design, stole some images and even bits of my content. i wasn't really offended, more amused that they managed to come up with a new moniker to fit my logo. ch.am.p. originally stood for chinese american princess. this person renamed his site to chinese ambassador of peking. you can read about it and see screenshots here (the owner of ch.amp. no. 2 has taken down his site)
http://www.chineseamericanprincess.com/?blogger/archives/2003_08_01_index.html#106152814759492703

the sad part is the fakester had an external message board embedded in a frame on his site, so my friends went to town on him. i felt kind of bad after seeing so many you suck fools. after receiving a poorly written apology i think the fakester was a young kid looking to start a blog and didn't know much about plagiarism. the external board is still up. now we've sort of turned it into a food blog.

Posted by: yi at August 27, 2003 9:22 AM

aw, c'mon. i don't see the similarity. there's a huge difference between deciduous trees and conifers.

Posted by: dr dandelion at August 27, 2003 12:33 PM

http://www.thelongwinters.com/

hey todd, this should further discussion a bit. I don't consider it a rip of your site at all, but the first time i saw it, my thought was, "wow... feels just like wdik".
hmmm maybe i should always spell your url out, instead of using an acronym.

Also if you havent checked out the long winters yet, you will really dig them. "Stupid" will break your heart. I learned about them on KEXP.org which is the only radio ive ever heard to rival your old show in charleston.

--rob

Posted by: rob rhyne at August 27, 2003 2:55 PM

No, I know the guy who designed the Long Winters' site -- he did not rip off WDIK.

Posted by: grubi at September 1, 2003 9:47 AM

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